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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jun 22, 2009 2:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino/GDP Suck!

cardboard, shmardboard.

here's what i choose to complain about: the liner notes--which i actually read and look fwd to...--were the predictably lame ruminations you've heard 1,000 times on the wall of sound...how big it was, how much it cost, how many hours it took to set up, break down, etc....WE KNOW. IT WAS BIG. WE GET IT.

I wish they'd take more time to talk about the music itself...why are these two performances so good? why did we highlight certain sections, etc?

the sound sounded good to me. the set lists they chose are fine with me. could they have done more? sure. But the 3 discs of music and quality of sound is pretty good for 20 bucks. Just get better liner notes for the next one, please!

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Poster: BVD Date: Jun 22, 2009 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino/GDP Suck!

Have nice copies of both shows warts and all they are still smokin' complete shows. After buying road trips II--2/14/68 plus a bonus disc I will never plunk down any more $ for these shows primarily for the poor packaging. I needed scissors to open it up because it was so small I would have ruined the discs trying to pull them out. They are now safely tucked away in a nice CD holder protected from Rhinoboard. And hacking up those two beautiful shows from 74 is just plain wrong.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Jun 22, 2009 11:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino/GDP Suck!

I find it totally amazing that Rhino don't offer any downloads of their GD product.
Are they actually in the same century as us?
It's bad enough having to wait 6 weeks for their snail mail service to cross the Atlantic but when most labels now have instantly downloadable stuff available for sale from their major artists, Rhino are seriously lagging behind here and are damaging their sales and reputation.

I fail to understand how they can pass up on a major selling tool like this....and how hard can it be to offer a full show for download?

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Poster: veblen Date: Jun 23, 2009 12:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino/GDP Suck!

I have been delaying checking what dead.net has for downloading or not since I wanted to hold off any frustration.

but in just checking, it is just like miss divine says: totally AMAZING (and not in a good sort of way). I am at a loss even trying to understand the logic of not having downloads. I just checked the date and it doesn't appear that I went back in time or anything... It's just beyond me...

I guess they won't be getting my money anytime soon like they did when I went through dick's picks and the download series one-by-one. cha-ching, cha-ching... Money saved for neil's blu-ray and some new jazz box sets!!!

At least the download series is still available for download, along with dick's picks...

Funny, the recent dead tour is available in downloads, so they must still know how to do it...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 22, 2009 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino/GDP Suck!

Wait a minute, GC, are you really serious? What could any douche bag working with them say that WE couldn't say right here?

Seriously...OK, we bow to Dick and we bow to Blair, and even Bear, but to be honest, I have heard all those folks have to say...

Now, a nice historical piece might be well rec'd.

But, to be honest, I'd trade a bunch of jibber jabber for a good package any day of the week.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jun 23, 2009 3:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino/GDP Suck!

Actually, WT, that's kind of my point. I realize I didn;t express it quite as I should have.

What i'd prefer to see, rather than another essay from David Lemieux on the size and cost of the WallofSound--something every Deadhead knows like the alphabet song--is to have them go the extra mile and bring in a rock critic who knows how to write (Blair Jackson is OK but ubiquitous), or even a guest musician (ever read what Elvis Costello has to say about the Dead? It's fantastic), OR--and here's a radical idea...lobby real Deadheads themselves, perhaps folks who actually went to these shows way back when, to offer their own thoughts, just as we do here on the archive.

My point is, I come here primarily to talk about the music...and every time I think I've heard it all, someone usually (not always) steps up and adds a great point about some show or song version that gets me interested all over again.

I noticed that the early Dicks Picks shows had some commentary on the show you just shelled out $20 for, then..they stopped. Just pics and info on length of song, etc. That's to me, just lazy, and if they want folks to keep ponying up, for these RoadTrips, they need to do more. And getting beyond tired old stories about the WOS would be a good start.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 23, 2009 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino/GDP Suck!

Wheww...glad my over the top response wasn't offensive. I now realize what you meant but initially wasn't sure.

Funny, I always look for the text in these things, and sometimes am really happy (like Bear's thing on the techno stuff they had to do with TFTV was really interesting...hmmm, that was Bear, right? Anyhow...).

But, many times it really isn't anything new, as we note, and you read it once and are done.

As we note a great packaging job, however, is forever.

I just don't get the cardboard scratchiness thing and disks...do they plan for them to go bad after taking them in and out ten times or some such? Would they really do that to us?

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jun 23, 2009 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino/GDP Suck!

my guess is the cardboard is their "friendly to the earth" less plastics response...but as noted by many makes for a self-defeating scratch problem that makes you have to throw the discs into a landfill where they sit forever anyway.

There's plenty to complain about with these releases, don't get me wrong. I just happen to be a sucker for liner notes in general, and with a little effort they could make these special. There are actually plenty of voices HERE that I would love to hear pontificate in an official release on WHY this or that show deserves its own special spotlight. (Wouldn't you, the esteemed Mr. Tell, welcome the chance to essay on the value of your favorite '68 show? Or hear SDH discuss a stellar '81 release--where are THOSE, btw?)

I'm also just not a "all or nothing" show guy. I rarely listen to an entire show all the way thru (especially the marathon '73 - '74 behemoths with their 45-minute Darkstars) so I don't really get bothered by the chopping up of shows as long as they include the best stuff and the sound is impeccable.

I was listening to the WRS>Jam>OtherOne>It'sASin>StellaBlue from this RT release and damn if I can find a single thing to bitch about there. It's about as good as it gets for '74.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 23, 2009 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rhino/GDP Suck!

Ha--funny, and you're right: the green approach, which I laud, could backfire in this case!

And yeah, I am a sucker too, though I over-stated it above cause I am really pissed about the packaging...can't we have both good packing and notes? C'mon!

Likewise, I really don't care about the whole complete show biz, though I see the point at some level.

Until SCB told me about them, I didn't even realize that two of my fav shows, 4-5-69 and 6-7-70 have a couple of the worst songs on them, ever! I just never listen to the entire thing...